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i often wonder about the nature of

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reality

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about our relationship to the creative

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force that forged the particles of our

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stars and intertwined them with the

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molecules of our bodies

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who are we and where are we actually

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sitting within the architecture of our

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universe

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are we alone or is the answer simply

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stranger

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than we can think my name is jeremy

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corbell

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i seek to weaponize your curiosity and

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if you're ready to suspend your own

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prejudice

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welcome to the world of extraordinary

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my name is chad underwood my call sign

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is nuts i was a lieutenant

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at the time on uss nimitz i filmed the

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tic tac video

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with the vfa 41 black aces serving under

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my commanding officer dave sex raver

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declassified videos the authentic

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i wanted to bring every single mode and

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zoom

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that the flare is capable of back to the

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carrier so we could analyze this thing

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because

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i'm not going to be able to solve this

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problem in real time it was offensively

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jamming us

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just outside international waters and

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peacetime operations it's an act of war

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we're going to go out there and make you

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pay for that

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good to talk with you so you are now uh

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commander

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chad underwood not anymore lieutenant uh

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chad underwood

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uh we're talking about the tic tac ufo

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case and i'm just

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you know thanks for being here and can

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you just introduce yourself

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at the time of the nimitz encounter i

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was a lieutenant

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back in 2004 and and since

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i've uh served

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almost 21 years to the day

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as and got promoted to uh lieutenant

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commander and then commander

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um a few months ago and but at the time

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of the nimitz encounter i was a

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lieutenant and this is the first video

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interview that that you're doing

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that's correct okay so you were involved

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in

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the most famous modern day ufo case

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of all time the tic tac ufo case you are

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the man

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that filmed the tic tac ufo the footage

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that everybody knows around the world

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the story's been on 60 minutes with

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commander fraver

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with alex dietrich but you are the man

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that filmed the tic tac ufo

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uh can you tell me a little bit about

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that like how does that

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feel more weird than and

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interesting than than usual i i would

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never

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would have suspected 17 almost 17 years

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that this would be a um a thing in the

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media

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it's weird it's interesting but

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it happened and so you've got to

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acknowledge it my friends and family

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just kind of crack up every time um

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you know there's a a link on you know

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fox you know

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on whatever news outlet is out there i'm

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just like really again

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yeah yeah it's gonna be kind of surreal

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you know

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it's very surreal um that that's for

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and um i never thought

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in a million years that the the the term

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tic tac would be

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um still in the zeitgeist of of

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where we are okay but that's we got to

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talk about that

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so there's a funny story that you shared

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with me that i'd love

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people to hear is how did you come up

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you're the man that named the tic tac

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ufo how did you come

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up with the name tic tac ufo can you

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tell us

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how you came up with that term

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of course um anyone who knows me uh

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friends family

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etc yourself um knows that my sense of

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humor is very

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um rooted in these 80s and 90s

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of airplane naked gun

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top secret fletch caddyshack etc that

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that kind of physical

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slap sticky humor and so when we went

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we had this encounter dave framer had

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uh debriefed his flight and so everyone

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aviation wing

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uh knew about this by the time

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i landed and i went to the uh

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intelligence center

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and so i brought my tapes back and

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they were like hey did you see a a ufo

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too and i'm like actually i got up here

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on video

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they were like you know their eyeballs

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just you know were like whoa

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and um and so we popped the tapes in and

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up they were like

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what would you describe this as and

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my thoughts going through my head were

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the scene from airplane where

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um uh the reporters are asking that guy

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one of the ground controllers of like

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can you describe this plane and he's

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like oh it's a big white

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shiny plane with wheels and you know it

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looks like a big tylenol

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what kind of plane is it oh it's a big

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red stripes and curtains in the window

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and wheels and it looks like a big

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tylenol

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and i knew if i'd described it as a big

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tylenol that

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yeah that's too much not taking it

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seriously

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and anyone who knows me is i don't take

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a whole lot of things seriously but i

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was like ah

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i probably shouldn't say that it's just

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it's too on the nose

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and and so i was like well it looked

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just kind of this white

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oblong featureless thing it looks like a

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tic tac

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and and and it just kind of became

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the the the name for it um

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for the the next few days little did i

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know that 17 years ago

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it would still be a thing um so it's

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it's rooted in humor

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it's rooted in slapstick and and it's

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rooted in my

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um interest in that kind of stuff

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and so that's that's really how the tic

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tac was made

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so you thought they wouldn't take the

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term tylenol seriously so you're like

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i think you chose the best name for a

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ufo so what was the form of footage that

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you took

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off of the plane um eight millimeter

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so the footage people are seeing the

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famous footage of the tic tac ufo that

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was off of eight millimeter

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tapes yes so when you go into the cvc

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you've got your

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radar data and your flare footage is

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that all

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on the same eight millimeter format yeah

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civic uh carrier vehicle intelligence

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center

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um that's where we always go you know

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i'm still in my flight gear that's

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i don't even take my gear off at the

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time there were two

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two sets of tapes that you would put in

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um just so you know we could record

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those simultaneously

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but you're saying you got radar footage

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or footage of the radar as well

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during the tic tac ufo event i did

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yeah but the the world hasn't seen that

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no and they're probably not going to see

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it for a long time um because

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the radar tape is the

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there's two types of sensors that we

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active sensors and passive sensors

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the flare is a passive sensor the radar

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however and isn't what we call an

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active sensor so it's shooting emissions

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and re receiving data in

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and an active sensor can be exploited by

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our enemies if they can see the data

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that's on that screen okay so what

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you're saying is you brought back

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two types of data so one is uh you know

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radar data that is uh you know outward

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and a lot of that is will remain

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classified and the other is a passive

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system which is the fleer which is just

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receiving and that's the footage that we

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all know that's been out publicly

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right did i get that right you know

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you're absolutely correct um

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and the i i wish um we could release

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the uh active sensor radar footage

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to see the initial because

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um yeah what would you see on it well

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that was the initial contact is you know

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i get a vector from

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um the princeton you initially do that

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on your radar okay you don't do that on

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once you acquire your target from your

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every other sensor that i have on board

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my aircraft is all slave to that target

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so my flear my um electronic warfare

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it's going to lock onto that target and

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it's going to look at that target and

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focus on that target that's that's what

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it's designed to do

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so to be clear so i understand you did

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pick this thing

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up on radar first correct

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yeah okay you saw other sensor data you

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saw radar data

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yeah of course once i got the target of

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interest

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on my radar i took a lock and that's

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when all the

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kind of the the funky thing started

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happening the erratic nature

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of the tic tac the air speed

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was very telling to me and

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then we started seeing what we call jam

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strobe lines

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show up on your radar that are

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indications that you're being jammed we

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talked about that when we did

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the audio recording and something you

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said to me that

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i think is important kind of for people

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to hear there was a 2009

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investigation where they did a report

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it's called the executive summary

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i'm sure you've read it right yes

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it states in there that you did not

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receive jamming queues

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and that's in contradiction to both your

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interviews and commander fraber's

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could you clarify about that were you

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consulted for that report is it just

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wrong i was not consulted for that

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report

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i have been interviewed

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one tenth of one percent from the

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government

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as i have from yourself i did get

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jamming q's on my radar tape

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and you can see cues of jamming

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on both your radar and your flare tape

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yeah you know when

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when like uh commander framer described

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on your flear tape when you see like

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99.9

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uh range to target that means that means

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you're being jammed

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it was seen on your assay at the time

303
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not just your own radar

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yes was there any other traffic at

305
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the cap point during the intercept no

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no nothing at all and we were flying

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what uh we call the whiskey areas

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they're restricted for military aircraft

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more or less for a safety of flights

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just to make sure that

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[Music]

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any other military aircraft or civilian

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aircraft for that matter

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are not flying in that sector of

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airspace there was no red air in the

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area from the previous exercise

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that's correct yeah yeah there was there

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was nothing that

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wouldn't be identifiable in the sector

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of airspace that we were flying

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and the way that this object was

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behaving

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not indicative of how a civilian or

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commercial aircraft would fly

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until you see the aggressive maneuver to

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the left off of my flair

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anything that is going to do is going to

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be tracked by the flare

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and so when the target maneuvered off to

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the left of my screen as you see on the

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flare display that was a result of

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that object maneuvering itself not me

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maneuvering

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my own aircraft this completely went off

335
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to your left

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lost track at that moment the video ends

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right right

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yeah yeah as we talked about earlier

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because people are saying it loses track

340
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when the bars are widening and

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it's not losing track it's maintaining

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track when it widens its bars it's it's

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basically telling me that it's

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it's losing confidence in that track but

345
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then it goes back you know you see it

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it widens out and then it goes back it

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never dragged off the

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the target is designed to engineered to

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be able to hack that kind of maneuvering

350
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but that the way that that aircraft

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maneuvered or

352
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that object whatever is not something

353
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that i can explain

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it just went and it was it was off to

355
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the races wherever it was going

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and and that was it at the end of the

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video we see

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we see it appears the object shoots off

359
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to

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oh yes

361
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yes yes absolutely and did you like

362
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radio into the princeton and ask them

363
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where is it yeah absolutely because the

364
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the princeton was our controller

365
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to begin with if this tic-tac never

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existed

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um uh and so i immediately got on the

368
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radar i'm like hey where is this thing

369
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because uh i only have a certain scan

370
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volume

371
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with my radar and my flare and this

372
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thing is gone

373
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and so i immediately radioed the

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princeton

375
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in my e2 hawkeye controller i'm like hey

376
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this target based off of my bearing and

377
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:10,079
range

378
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where is it where is it heading

379
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and where is it going and they were like

380
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negative radar contact

381
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which means their radars are are clean

382
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you know and and

383
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,720
they don't see anything yeah but that's

384
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important that's important because what

385
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you're saying is

386
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you were you were targeted in towards

387
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this

388
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:31,760
tic tac object using other sensors the

389
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,639
princeton

390
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,720
had this a continuous track on it that

391
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they send you out

392
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they tell you where to go you pick it up

393
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on your radar

394
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you then slave it over to your optical

395
00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:43,519
system

396
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:46,399
you record all of that you come back you

397
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,120
put it in

398
00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:49,760
but also when this thing shows these

399
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:51,199
unique displays of

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movement the shooting off to your left

401
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:56,880
you then ask the princeton hey you have

402
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a better radar tell me where is it where

403
00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:00,079
is it going what's going on and they're

404
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:00,480
like

405
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,509
to put it clearly that that's pretty

406
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:09,120
what pretty much what happened

407
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,880
and since it shot off to the left you

408
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,399
know immediately

409
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:15,040
vectored my my own aircraft to the left

410
00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:17,040
to try to reacquire it

411
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:20,959
and not nothing wow

412
00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:24,800
yeah it is just weird so tell me like

413
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:27,839
what was weird about what you filmed

414
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,880
that day

415
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:31,199
compared to every other day of your

416
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:32,160
flying career

417
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:35,519
that darting off to the left because you

418
00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,079
know

419
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:39,440
radar to my

420
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:43,519
i i see that kind of stuff daily

421
00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:46,560
however my radar and flare should be

422
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:47,199
able to

423
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uh account for that kind of discrepancy

424
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:54,320
and so once it shot off to the left

425
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immediately aggressively

426
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maneuver my fighter to the left to try

427
00:16:03,030 --> 00:15:59,360
to reacquire

428
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,040
and it moved with a velocity that i've

429
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,759
i've not seen i should be able to

430
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,440
reacquire that aircraft

431
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:10,000
or whatever it was right and that that's

432
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,360
just

433
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,680
i mean we're talking a an 80 million

434
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,519
dollar fighter you know

435
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,759
i mean this thing shot off at beyond

436
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,079
hypersonic speed if you can't bank

437
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:22,720
the aircraft and then reacquire it

438
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:23,519
something

439
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:27,360
it shot off yeah and

440
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:30,320
my estimation at this point is that it

441
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,959
was about

442
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:33,839
10 to 15 miles off my nose i should be

443
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:34,800
able to see

444
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,360
an exhaust plume on my flea you should

445
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:38,800
be able to see that heat i should be

446
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,600
able to tell that

447
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:42,000
it's an aircraft it's it's got wings i

448
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:43,519
should be able to tell what type of

449
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:44,959
aircraft it is

450
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:47,199
i should be able to know that and i

451
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:49,040
wasn't seeing any of that

452
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:50,639
if somebody said the tic tac that you

453
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,759
filmed with the was a u.s black project

454
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:56,160
you told me it's not tell me why you

455
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:57,680
know it's not

456
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,920
if there is something out there that you

457
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:00,800
have seen

458
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,000
as a pilot or aviator that you weren't

459
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,799
supposed to see to get vectored home

460
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:08,559
airborne in real time say hey

461
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,720
head home and then you have to debrief

462
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,199
with someone who's briefed on that

463
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:15,280
particular project which has happened to

464
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:17,039
you you have encountered something that

465
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,160
is a black project

466
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:20,000
and you had to debrief because and

467
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,760
there's a protocol for that

468
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,640
exactly what happens is when you're in

469
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:26,480
the intelligence center

470
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:29,840
um civic you describe what you saw

471
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,559
they describe what you've seen they

472
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,720
make you sign a non-disclosure agreement

473
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,400
or an nda

474
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,200
and they say this is the project name

475
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:42,960
they don't describe what it is or what

476
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,559
it what it does or

477
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,640
you know anything like that it's just

478
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:48,799
you know you you shall not speak of this

479
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,200
again

480
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,039
that did not happen with the tic tac

481
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,600
that did not happen

482
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,760
so nobody said to you this is you saw

483
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,039
something you shouldn't this is a black

484
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,360
project you know sign this nda

485
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,280
that that is the protocol that's what

486
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,720
would have happened if it was u.s

487
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:05,039
technology right u.s black technology

488
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,559
but that didn't happen

489
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,320
no and it didn't happen with uh

490
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,840
commander faber either what do you think

491
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,280
you saw

492
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:14,160
i don't know jeremy man i have no idea

493
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:14,640
like

494
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,559
it was just this this weird thing that i

495
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:19,440
should normally

496
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:22,559
be able to identify

497
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,840
or identify with characteristics yeah i

498
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:27,679
had no flight characteristics

499
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:32,400
you know a method of lift propulsion

500
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:35,679
um things like that and it was at a

501
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,400
range

502
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:38,880
where i should be able to distinguish

503
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:40,880
flight characteristics and that just

504
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:44,240
just didn't happen what is it like when

505
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,760
like your kids you know say

506
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,320
hey daddy did did you see an alien you

507
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,600
know or did you

508
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,360
hey daddy did you see an alien ship you

509
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:52,640
know do your kids ask you that kind of

510
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:53,440
thing

511
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:55,760
oh yeah they do all the time and you

512
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:57,600
know they're

513
00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:00,240
you know as a fan of uh star wars and

514
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:01,520
things like that

515
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:06,000
um uh guardians of galaxy for my kids

516
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,720
and things like

517
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,039
you know what uh and and they're just

518
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,559
every day they're just like hey did you

519
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:12,320
see an alien you know at work and i'm

520
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:13,440
just like

521
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,880
no um i don't know what i saw and i told

522
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,640
him

523
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,720
uh i i can't remember where the quote

524
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:21,919
came from

525
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,080
but uh there's a quote out there that

526
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:26,799
says either we're alone in this universe

527
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:31,760
or we aren't each is equally terrifying

528
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,120
with billions of galaxies and billions

529
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,000
of planets that are out there

530
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,480
the odds of us being the only life forms

531
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,320
that are

532
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,280
here is unlikely you just kind of have

533
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:47,360
to live with that

534
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,160
knowledge and just know that um we're

535
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,240
probably not the only beans out there

536
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,679
you're leaving it on the table that this

537
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,760
could be something not from here this

538
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,799
could be

539
00:20:02,149 --> 00:20:00,080
who could have been a vehicle an

540
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:02,159
extraterrestrial vehicle we don't know

541
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:05,520
oh absolutely yeah totally and you know

542
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,960
as a rational human being i i leave that

543
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:11,200
completely on the table it has

544
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,400
it has to be as a as a logical rational

545
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:17,039
person the evidence that it's our black

546
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,159
technologies

547
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,159
um that seems to be dwindling that seems

548
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:21,840
to be going away

549
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,880
yeah that that seems to be the case i i

550
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,080
think the pentagon

551
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:29,120
and the the folks that put these reports

552
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:29,600
out

553
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:32,840
i think that that is the correct

554
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:35,200
assessment the idea this is u.s

555
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,000
technology

556
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,679
we've already talked about how it's not

557
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,360
a black project that's that

558
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,960
you would have been treated differently

559
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,640
does somebody have a technology a

560
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,320
thousand plus years ahead of us

561
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,320
another foreign nation that had it back

562
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,400
in 2004 when you filmed the tic tac i

563
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:49,440
mean that

564
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,200
would be pretty wild absolutely and

565
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:56,400
i agree with that assessment both now

566
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,039
in 2021 and back in 2004

567
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,440
especially in 2004 like this stuff would

568
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:05,440
not have existed

569
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,760
and um certainly it wasn't a u.s

570
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,320
unacknowledged black project or even an

571
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,480
acknowledged backed project

572
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,280
if anyone assumes that it was a you know

573
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,200
let's just say china russia you know

574
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:22,320
are kind of big threats out there that

575
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:22,960
have

576
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,830
describe as that kind of technology that

577
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,360
could have acted in that way

578
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:36,320
commander fravor said that he could

579
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,120
imagine

580
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,120
maybe in 2004 you know there's stuff he

581
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,640
doesn't know but he says

582
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,760
this is 17 years later so to keep that

583
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,679
technology secret he said would

584
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,559
probably be almost impossible for 17

585
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,440
years

586
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,880
right that's why he's saying he's

587
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,360
leaning more towards this is not ours

588
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,919
i agree with that i agree completely

589
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,960
with that

590
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:59,520
i know we don't have it that technology

591
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:00,320
and

592
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,520
there's no way

593
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,720
right and that they could just do what

594
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,679
commander fraber uh described you know

595
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,559
the the

596
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,640
up down left right you know um the way

597
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,400
that it acted on the surface and the way

598
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,600
that it acted

599
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:18,240
you know getting airborne that just

600
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:19,280
doesn't

601
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,080
the that was my weirded out

602
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,520
moment was when you know he described it

603
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,360
and then i saw it

604
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,880
and and then it was just like okay where

605
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,520
where did we go from here and to be

606
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,600
quite honest with you jeremy

607
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,159
the conversations at the the chow hall

608
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:41,520
and things like that when i'm

609
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,710
we talked about a little bit um but it

610
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:51,360
we just moved on what changes when you

611
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:51,919
achieve

612
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,280
commander um what does it do i'm in the

613
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,000
reserves i've been in reserves for

614
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,799
10 years so your daily your daily job or

615
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,240
your daily life like is it

616
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,679
in a similar field my civilian job all

617
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:08,000
that i can tell anyone i'm a systems

618
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,799
engineer

619
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,400
have you ever talked with anybody has

620
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:12,880
anybody said i know you're a part of

621
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,480
nobody every day

622
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,559
people talk to you about it about the

623
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,760
tic tac yeah

624
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,400
all the time because i really i work

625
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,080
with other engineers

626
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,350
wired into this zeitgeist you know

627
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,960
they're into it man they're really into

628
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,559
it oh yeah i mean because

629
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,600
we all work in aviation and things like

630
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,320
that and they're

631
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,080
they're just they're more interested in

632
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,520
it than i am

633
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:44,640
um and so they'll they'll tell me like

634
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,039
hey

635
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,120
you know i saw your article on new york

636
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,720
times or whatever

637
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,360
they know it before i do and and so

638
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,720
they're just like

639
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,120
they're like hey what's up ufo man and

640
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:56,880
i'm like oh god

641
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,919
that's funny because it seems like since

642
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,559
this whole thing

643
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:03,039
happened it seems like every you know

644
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,760
three four

645
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,240
six months whatever something new comes

646
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,600
out i'm like what

647
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,799
new what is new like what what

648
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,799
what are they disclosing that we don't

649
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,080
already know

650
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,360
yeah um well i'm releasing a lot of

651
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:20,240
well i know that yeah and and that's in

652
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:20,559
your

653
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,400
my perspective like i wake up on a

654
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,159
monday morning and i'm just like

655
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,600
all right what now like that's basically

656
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,320
just how it uh how it feels you know

657
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,679
i'll acknowledge it and they'll

658
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,360
they all know the story and you know

659
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,960
some of the younger engineers will ask

660
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,520
me like hey

661
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,679
you're the tick that guy i'm like yeah i

662
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:41,360
mean i think the biggest point that we

663
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,159
got here

664
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,159
is that commander underwood has a great

665
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,960
sense of humor because he called the ufo

666
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,720
a tic tac because he didn't want to call

667
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,880
it a tylenol because that would just be

668
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,000
too absurd

669
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,559
i know yeah you're absolutely right man

670
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,000
thank you for for sharing

671
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,000
your story the story about the the tic

672
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,919
tac naming with me and with anybody who

673
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,960
watches it thank you

674
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,360
so much that that's a really cool story

675
00:25:20,650 --> 00:25:04,480
i appreciate it